Meeting 1.3.4
Meeting 1.3.4
November 12, 2006
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Agenda
- Introduction/Opening
- Share Good / Bad Experience using Audacity
- How do VAC really work? (Diagram of VAC)
- Skypecast Control- New Screencast about Skypecasting
- Bandwidth Concerns
- Brainstorm how to use Webcast - Bring at least one good idea.
- Share experience with trying streaming
- Questions and word is free
| JL | Hello Cathy & Niels |
| JL | Webhuddle is now active |
| JL | edtech@edtechtalk.com / webcast |
| Cathy e | hello guys |
| DS | Hi Cathy |
| DS | and all |
| DS | think JL may have crashed--lost the skype call |
| JL | please skype 'worldbridges' directly |
| NielsD | OK |
| Cathy e | Just to let you know I have watched the screen cast "Recording both ends of a telephony call in windows" at least 100 times :) |
| JL | got a new one for you - http://webcastacademy.net/screencasts/skypecast/index.htm |
| NielsD | are we using the skypecast - or go worldbrigdes direktly? |
| AnneF | HI there |
| JL | Hi Kathy - skype 'worldbridges' directly |
| paradox66 | hello all |
| JehZon | Not me. Still trouble with ecamm recorder. |
| DS | sorry, can't record here either, have to run away in a little while myself |
| sendkathy | I can't hear anything give me a minute. |
| Madeline Brownstone | Hi, sorry I'm late. |
| DS | Hi Madeline |
| Cathy e | I have the same sound card- but i don't have stereo mix as an option |
| Madeline Brownstone | I just checked skype.com for a skypecast, are we on? |
| Madeline Brownstone | I can't find us. |
| AnneF | I think they are in a kype conference |
| DS | skype worldbridges directly to join |
| AnneF | the skypecast wasn't working very well |
| JL | indeed |
| DS | I'll listen on the stream, I have to leave soon |
| JL | skype 'worldbridges' to join in |
| Madeline Brownstone | just found it, thanks....started at 50 minutes ago? YIKES |
| JL | do not join skypkecast |
| JL | skype worldbridges |
| AnneF | no, that confused me too. I think they open it early |
| Madeline Brownstone | okay |
| arvind grover | i am in the skypecast, but i dont see anyone there |
| arvind grover | oh |
| DS | arvind skype worldbridges directly to join |
| DS | the skypecast wasn't cooperating |
| arvind grover | got it |
| DS | have to run all - look forward to catching up on audio -- cya soon |
| arvind grover | http://www.nycist.net the conference website - audio available there |
| sharonbetts | Hello everyone - glad to have caught you at least for awhile today. |
| Madeline Brownstone | been getting this error when exporting to mp3 on audacity on Mac |
| Madeline Brownstone | ooop |
| sharonbetts | how many of you have actually got a two way Skype to work? |
| sharonbetts | I keep losing the sound - anyone else? I will change channels. |
| JL | sharon, would you like to join skype |
| paradox66 | Me and niels got it to work |
| Cathy e | Not me :( |
| Cathy e | I can faintly hear the skype lady |
| Cathy e | When I go to Mixer Device I only have line in, rear mic, microphone |
| sendkathy | So, bottom line, are we able to get in a skypecast or simply listen to the stream on channel 1? |
| arvind grover | no skypecast, can you skype "worldbridges" directly or listen to the stream |
| arvind grover | jeff is restarting the skype |
| arvind grover | i mean stream |
| arvind grover | restarting the stream |
| sendkathy | I hope this works because my stream keeps buffering and going mute. |
| sharonbetts | I am having exactly the same problem - it buffers and dies |
| Madeline Brownstone | Two-way skypecall has still not come front and center on my to-do list. I think I'm going to find the time next week to get going full stream with the webdcast academy assignments and experimentations. |
| JL | hitting bandwidth limits |
| JL | will restart channel 2 shortly |
| sharonbetts | aha - thanks Madeline, I don't feel so far behind then. |
| arvind grover | the analog analogy is always helpful - if it applies |
| sharonbetts | I forgot my headphone at work and can't skype in today either - where or where did my organizational skills go? |
| JL | channel 2 should be on now |
| sharonbetts | Channel 2 is ok -- good |
| sharonbetts | darn - it cut out again. Is channel 1 running? |
| cheryloakes | channel 2 |
| cheryloakes | hi sharon |
| sharonbetts | and I lost the chatroom when I accidentally tried to re-stream from the same tab. I think this week is lost - hi Cheryl |
| arvind grover | classic conversation with teachers - they don't want to know how the projector works, juts work! |
| cheryloakes | Hi Arvind, I still think that way, just work, especially when teaching, there isn't time to troubleshoot with 20 faces looking at you. :-) |
| arvind grover | i definitely dont want to troubleshoot in class, but i was thinking more during training of teachers. but i know exactly what you mean |
| arvind grover | :) |
| cheryloakes | cathy are you a mac?skype |
| sharonbetts | ;) |
| AnneF | no stream, no skype only web huddle and chat so I think I'll go and listen to the recording later. |
| Cathy e | I am windows |
| AnneF | Bye all |
| JL | bye anne |
| sharonbetts | me to - where is web huddle info? |
| Cathy e | www.webhuddle.com |
| cheryloakes | I use nicecast on my mac |
| sharonbetts | thanks - the name of the "huddle"? |
| paradox66 | skype:?chat&id=%23arvindgrover%2F%24310f611772562cdc |
| paradox66 | http://peko.se/blogg/2006/05/27/screencast-i-hur-man-sjunger-kanon-med-sig-sjalv-i-audacity/ |
| cheryloakes | it is on the front page of webcast academy edtech@edtechtalk.com pw webcast |
| sharonbetts | can anyone give me the URL for the site with music clips that Jeff mentioned previously |
| paradox66 | my swedish screencast about making kanon singen |
| Madeline Brownstone | back again, keep loosing my window too |
| JL | http://peko.se/blogg/2006/05/27/screencast-i-hur-man-sjunger-kanon-med-sig-sjalv-i-audacity/ |
| cheryloakes | I will start putting tags for mac entries. |
| Madeline Brownstone | Ah, ha, copy paste works in Firefox. This is the errror I get using Mac OSX 10.4.8 and Audacity 1.2.5Assertion (gfc->mf_size <= MFSIZE) failed in "lame.c" on line 1501 |
| JehZon | yes |
| JehZon | can't do it either |
| Cathy e | me either |
| JehZon | Sometimes it works, most time it does not |
| Cathy e | Works the first time but not after the first time |
| arvind grover | that's rightg. i think it works before you takea away focus from the window the first time. once you come back, it doesn't work - oh well, copy paste, who needs it? |
| Madeline Brownstone | try copy/paste using Apple+C and apple+v that works for me on Mac running firefox |
| sendkathy | I am just wondering how get the people you'd like to participate ready to go. |
| arvind grover | thanks madeline, doesn't work for me after the first time i look away from the window |
| sharonbetts | Good question Kathy. I hope to figure out how and then I need to find who. I also can't copy / paste in windows. |
| Madeline Brownstone | ha, Arvind:o ...that's what happend to me when I tried to copy something IN the window. It works when I copy FROM another source and paste into the chat |
| arvind grover | no luck for me |
| Cathy e | Sharon- I plan to use the webcast with teachers after hours- like a help desk meeting |
| sharonbetts | Oh - yes that is very much like what I want to do. I meant getting a two way skype call recorded. |
| sendkathy | I'm just concerned that if we have these issues and are committed to trying to solve them, how will rather low-tech people be encouraged to stick it out? |
| Cathy e | I have not had luck with that yet |
| Madeline Brownstone | Arvin: I'm using Firefox version 1.5.0.7 on MAC iBook G4 10.4.8 |
| Cathy e | But low tech people won't have to record in the beginning |
| Cathy e | Just listen and talk |
| arvind grover | i am using FF 2 |
| sharonbetts | Kathy - right. I think that skyping to staff is easy. It is the recording stuff that has me bamboozled. |
| sharonbetts | I am also using FF 2 (windows) and can't copy - paste. |
| Cathy e | NO- the copy paste issue is a biggie |
| sendkathy | So Sharon, you are already skyping with your staff? |
| sendkathy | How do you set up a time and how do you get them interested? |
| sharonbetts | I can copy / paste in Webhuddle - |
| Cathy e | What about the old one? |
| NielsD | Here is my webrecordings in OPAL |
| sharonbetts | I only skype with a few that are quite teckie - and it is usually around troubleshooting our new ePortfolio software and posting podcasts and videos there. I just tell them I will be online in the evening at a certain time. We also use the chat room in our email client (First Class) |
| NielsD | her it is www.bibsent.no/nettmote |
| cheryloakes | http://www.bibsent.no/nettmote/ from Cheryl on her Macbook 10.4.8, using FLOCK |
| NielsD | http://opal-online.org |
| NielsD | this last on was to the american OPAL-prosject |
| cheryloakes | madeline, try using flock as your browser, it works for copying urls. |
| sendkathy | Has anyone ever webcast to or from an ed tech conference? |
| sharonbetts | I just uninstalled Flock when I upgraded to FF 2 - ugh |
| sendkathy | I like being part of a class so I feel I can get to know a smaller group. |
| Cathy e | No-Kathy, but I have been thinking about it..I will be going to NCETC in a couble of weeks. |
| NielsD | http://tinyurl.com/cmctf this is my webroom - feel free to go in an look |
| cheryloakes | Women of Web 2.0 will be webcasting next Tue. from a conference in GA , then on 11/28 from NH, Christa McAulliffe. |
| sharonbetts | I agree - I am such a dolt about these things and like the class structure |
| sendkathy | I'm going to GaETC this week. |
| sharonbetts | wow - are you going to GA, cheryl? any thoughts about TCEA? |
| Cathy e | Kathy- you can go first :) |
| sendkathy | Wow, I'm taking CSS with Patrick Crispin on Tuesday. |
| cheryloakes | lucky you, check out Vicki Davis, Jen, Sharon will be webcasting at 9 PM, I am holding the fort at home here in Maine |
| Cathy e | I'll listen if you talk |
| sharonbetts | I will try to check-in on Tuesday this week |
| cheryloakes | Hope you can Sharon. |
| arvind grover | here is one commericial shoutcast provider i found: http://wavestreaming.com |
| Madeline-in-Flock | cannot copy/paste a URL in Flock |
| arvind grover | i can't figure out what the $2.15 for a 128k stream gets you |
| sharonbetts | sorry, but it makes me feel better about uninstalling it. ha (Flock that is) |
| sharonbetts | Jeff there is an echo now. |
| Cathy e | I don't know I would ever do all the things needed to run a webcast and be in Second Life? |
| sharonbetts | I registered for Second Life and have spent about 15 minutes there - just no time. |
| cheryloakes | sorry Madeline, maybe since i am on a Macbook, not G4. |
| Madeline Brownstone | mayBE |
| sharonbetts | Yea webheads - I plan on trying to join then this winter. |
| arvind grover | so strange, wasn't doing anything and the chatroom just logged me out. wasn't even near the keyboard |
| arvind grover | and not on wireless |
| cheryloakes | Cathye, I dont' think my computer could take all the punishment of resource use with 2nd life and webcast, wkype |
| sendkathy | If I ever go the hang of it I would like to run a group. |
| sendkathy | My computer can't take 2nd life either! |
| Cathy e | cherly, forget the computer, my brain can't handle it |
| sharonbetts | Cathy - I am with you! I actually try to have a first life and that's hard. |
| sendkathy | So true! |
| sendkathy | Although the I just listed to one of the Intercultural webcast on the topic of reinventing yourself and it seems 2nd life is just the ticket. |
| arvind grover | you're right jeff, these external hosts are expensive! |
| arvind grover | they are like $2/listener for 128k |
| sendkathy | What about raising funds? |
| Eiseldora | I am a fan of Second Life, because it has many freedoms |
| arvind grover | so we need a shoutcast server training session - a lot of schools (at least in the U.S.) have high-speed connections. we could put up some servers i think |
| Madeline Brownstone | my chat screen has a mind of it's own. It keeps wanting to return to the Welcome at the top. Kind of spooky |
| arvind grover | a paypal button on webcastacademy. or let people pay tuition if they are interested. voluntary |
| Madeline Brownstone | Arvind: what do I want to know about my upstream bandwidth? |
| Madeline Brownstone | My school wants to stream....eventually--once I learn. :-) |
| arvind grover | meadline, for running your own shoutcast server? |
| sendkathy | Do we have to reserve the sandbox? |
| sharonbetts | I also was wondering about streaming in the sandbox - although I have a long way to go before I am ready. |
| arvind grover | i am looking at: http://www.shoutcast.com/download/serve.phtml (i hope i typed that correctly) |
| Madeline Brownstone | I have to hang on to the scroll bar to keep the chat in place.... |
| sharonbetts | I am picturing that - :D |
| Madeline Brownstone | :p |
| Madeline Brownstone | makes typing difficult ;) |
| JL | http://www.sigmatel.com/support/#drivers |
| sharonbetts | I see it is 1:15 and I am going to need to sign-off. Hopefully, I will be able to make some progress this week. See you folks. |
| Madeline Brownstone | I also hpe to get that 2-way skype done this week...finally |
| Madeline Brownstone | I will try the shoutcast server too.... |
| Madeline Brownstone | with my students |
| sharonbetts | ambitious - good luck Madeline. |
| Madeline Brownstone | Well, I have a gaggle of little girls who want to webcast....8th graders |
| Madeline Brownstone | they are awesome. Been in Lee Baber's spacecast every friday |
| Madeline Brownstone | now they want to host their own |
| arvind grover | turn dreams into reality :) |
| arvind grover | if we get enough interns in a geographic area, we should have meetups (in person) |
| arvind grover | to do some cross-training |
| sendkathy | What are the legal implications of recording people? |
| Madeline Brownstone | How many in the NYC Metro area? |
| Madeline Brownstone | legal for school kids? |
| arvind grover | {arvind raises hand} |
| sendkathy | Yes and anyone else |
| sendkathy | Is it just a simple media release for signed by parents? |
| Madeline Brownstone | our children have a signed release from their parents that we can put their work on the Internet....kind of open and vague... |
| arvind grover | in the U.S. you can record people if they know that they are being recorded |
| arvind grover | (adults) |
| Madeline Brownstone | ...we say that we will not reveal last names and other identifying information |
| arvind grover | right on, guidelines for safety are key |
| sendkathy | What's the best way to invite people from around the country to join a skypecast or to be primary speakers? |
| Madeline Brownstone | network with friends... |
| arvind grover | remember that when you skypecast, anyone who finds it on the website can join i |
| Cathy e | I'm glad we have a gifted student in our class |
| arvind grover | when yo skype conf, you control who enters |
| Madeline Brownstone | Kathy, you have school children? what grade? |
| sendkathy | I know but these are all techies. |
| JL | http://www.abyssmedia.com/ |
| Madeline Brownstone | I'm in middle school and we have the personallearningspace elgg |
| sendkathy | I have a sophomore and a senior and teach kindergarten |
| Cathy e | Where do we go tonight |
| arvind grover | i am really trying to figure out how to use KRISTAL audio software on my PC because it has a mixer to control input volumes |
| Madeline Brownstone | for HS try http://youthvoices.??? I'll check it out. Check out teachers teaching teachers. Paul Allison and Susan E are active in that |
| sendkathy | I have a Promethean board and may want to host a users forum in a webcast. |
| arvind grover | cool! |
| sendkathy | Thanks Jeff and all! |
| Attachment | Size |
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| WebcastAcademy-2006-11-12.mp3 | 31.76 MB |
The Skype Challenge
You can find some relevant info about different aspects of using Skype on these screencasts:
http://webcastacademy.net/screencasts/skypecast/index.htm
and
http://webcastacademy.net/screencasts/webcastparticipation/index.html
but I will certainly put 'producing a more comprehensive skype screencast' on my To Do list, but I must warn you that this list is overflowing these days so it might be a little while.
In the meantime, since our motto around here is 'learn by doing' (or is it 'learn by trying'), I would like to suggest that you host the skypecast and skype conference on Sunday. All you need to do is go to http://skypecasts.skype.com/ , login, create a skypecast, and then follow the instructions in the first screencast listed above. I can still stream the discussion, as long as I'm in it, although others are welcome to try doing so as well. I suspect this will provide you with more meaningful information than any screencast. Perhaps, after it's done, you might be able to produce a screecast before I get to it.
So Niels, the challenge is yours for the taking :)
New screencast about SKYPE confererance/kontra a SKYPE wanted!